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Post by MeanDawg on Sept 27, 2017 16:50:27 GMT -6
Hey all--so, I get my wheels back (I hope) from the powdercoat shop this Saturday. Then off to get a new Avon 190/60 mounted, gonna try CounterAct balancing beads this time instead of weights (don't wanna mar up the new powdercoat!)
Anyway, to my question(s). I know this is asked frequently but I think I'm due a quick refresher from those that have installed this tire before (my 1st 190, was running the 170). I was planning to just deflate the tire and install it back on the bike that way, but do you think I am really risking scratching up the new powdercoating? Or is that a remote possibility? Would removing the final drive be the better way to go without adding a bunch of time? I obviously plan to be very careful if I go the deflation route but if it's tough to get it back in there I don't want to screw the wheel up.
Next, and this may be a good question for Speed (but open to all!): I'm running his old Progressive 11.5" shocks on the rear. Any issues with that shock/tire combo? I seem to remember, but can't find the thread, Thunderfan on the other forum mounted I believe a new 190 and then proceeded to chew up a brand new tire on the bolts under the fender--is that a concern? Do I need to shorten any bolts?
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Post by Lagger on Sept 28, 2017 7:00:45 GMT -6
I fitted Avon Cobra 190 onto a freshly powder coated wheel. Like you I didn't want to risk scuffing the wheel, by far the easiest method was to unbolt the final drive from the shaft (the 4 bolts) and pull the whole lot backwards, this was very straightforward.
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Post by MeanDawg on Sept 28, 2017 14:35:15 GMT -6
Thanks Lagger, yeah it's looking more and more like that is what I am going to do too. I know your scoot is a ways from being done (been following your build, great job by the way!) so you haven't been able to ride it yet, but what's your opinion on my 2nd question regarding the tight fit with the bolts under the fender? Any concern looking at yours? Don't want to ruin a brand new tire. Mines going to sit low with those shocks.
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Post by B46 on Sept 28, 2017 17:54:12 GMT -6
Thanks Lagger, yeah it's looking more and more like that is what I am going to do too. I know your scoot is a ways from being done (been following your build, great job by the way!) so you haven't been able to ride it yet, but what's your opinion on my 2nd question regarding the tight fit with the bolts under the fender? Any concern looking at yours? Don't want to ruin a brand new tire. Mines going to sit low with those shocks. Depends on how low "low" is. The difference in vertical clearance between a 170/60-17 and a 190/60-17 is right at 1/2 inch. So you should have 1/2" less clearance between the fender and the tire than you would have had if you put a stock 170/60 on your bike. Not exactly the "yes"/"no" answer you were looking for, but I hope that the info is at least somewhat helpful. Cheers! Tom
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Post by MeanDawg on Sept 28, 2017 18:02:24 GMT -6
Good info thanks a lot Tom. Guess I will know for sure this weekend if all goes according to plan. I knew when I got the shocks I would probably drag the exhaust in right hand sweepers but didn't give any thought at the time to a bigger rear tire.
I know I read in the RF forum that one guy ruined a new 190 tire on the fender bolts. I don't plan on being the 2nd guy! Thanks again..Gary
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Post by Lagger on Sept 29, 2017 3:42:48 GMT -6
Thanks Lagger, yeah it's looking more and more like that is what I am going to do too. I know your scoot is a ways from being done (been following your build, great job by the way!) so you haven't been able to ride it yet, but what's your opinion on my 2nd question regarding the tight fit with the bolts under the fender? Any concern looking at yours? Don't want to ruin a brand new tire. Mines going to sit low with those shocks. I'll have a look at the clearance to the fender bolts tomorrow when I get a chance and let you know. I still have standard shocks on the bike at the moment so that won't give you the final answer but may help a bit.
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Post by MeanDawg on Sept 29, 2017 12:32:34 GMT -6
Appreciate it! thanks Lagger
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Post by Lagger on Sept 30, 2017 12:05:53 GMT -6
Appreciate it! thanks Lagger Didn't have a chance to do this today, I'll be doing it tomorrow though mate, I'll let you know
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Post by Lagger on Oct 1, 2017 6:01:26 GMT -6
Had a quick look, there seems to be plenty of room between the tyre and the fender mounting bolts- bear in mind this was with standard springs and unladen. I struggle to see how the tyre could get closer enough to the bolts to cause any damage, do you have a link to the story you mentioned?
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Post by MeanDawg on Oct 1, 2017 10:04:47 GMT -6
I briefly looked for it last Friday but didn't find it. I'm almost certain it was in the Rider Forums. Will give a look again and see if I can locate it. I should ask Texas to look, he would find it in like 5.378 seconds!
Thanks Lagger for the assessment too.
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2017 9:43:47 GMT -6
Hey all--so, I get my wheels back (I hope) from the powdercoat shop this Saturday. Then off to get a new Avon 190/60 mounted, gonna try CounterAct balancing beads this time instead of weights (don't wanna mar up the new powdercoat!) Anyway, to my question(s). I know this is asked frequently but I think I'm due a quick refresher from those that have installed this tire before (my 1st 190, was running the 170). I was planning to just deflate the tire and install it back on the bike that way, but do you think I am really risking scratching up the new powdercoating? Or is that a remote possibility? Would removing the final drive be the better way to go without adding a bunch of time? I obviously plan to be very careful if I go the deflation route but if it's tough to get it back in there I don't want to screw the wheel up. Next, and this may be a good question for Speed (but open to all!): I'm running his old Progressive 11.5" shocks on the rear. Any issues with that shock/tire combo? I seem to remember, but can't find the thread, Thunderfan on the other forum mounted I believe a new 190 and then proceeded to chew up a brand new tire on the bolts under the fender--is that a concern? Do I need to shorten any bolts? well I am late to the game here but, I like removing FD and install it all as a unit. Its easier for me this way. No issues with the 11.5 shocks, I'm running 11" now with the 190, no issues. Thunderfans issues was the bolt on the seat bracket was too long. The shocks have bump stops on them, if they bottom out completely you still good. Balance beads are the way to go or use ride-on. as for the bolts. Yea I made sure the fender bolts on the sides were not sticking in too far, made them flush with the weld nuts and make sure the rear seat bolt is short as well just in case.
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Post by MeanDawg on Oct 3, 2017 15:15:00 GMT -6
well I am late to the game here but, I like removing FD and install it all as a unit. Its easier for me this way. No issues with the 11.5 shocks, I'm running 11" now with the 190, no issues. Thunderfans issues was the bolt on the seat bracket was too long. The shocks have bump stops on them, if they bottom out completely you still good. Balance beads are the way to go or use ride-on. as for the bolts. Yea I made sure the fender bolts on the sides were not sticking in too far, made them flush with the weld nuts and make sure the rear seat bolt is short as well just in case. Never too late Speed--got the wheels back but the tire mount shop is super busy right now & I can't get there before they close weekdays so won't get mounted tires back till this coming Saturday. I knew you would check in eventually, this all is exactly what I need to know, thanks man. I was pretty certain it was Thunderfan's tire that got chewed up but could not find that thread again. I had already decided that I'm gonna remove the final drive for the install, will definitely make sure those bolts can't contact the tire. Good to know about the shock/tire combo. Thanks again for jumping in...
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2017 15:21:11 GMT -6
well I am late to the game here but, I like removing FD and install it all as a unit. Its easier for me this way. No issues with the 11.5 shocks, I'm running 11" now with the 190, no issues. Thunderfans issues was the bolt on the seat bracket was too long. The shocks have bump stops on them, if they bottom out completely you still good. Balance beads are the way to go or use ride-on. as for the bolts. Yea I made sure the fender bolts on the sides were not sticking in too far, made them flush with the weld nuts and make sure the rear seat bolt is short as well just in case. Never too late Speed--got the wheels back but the tire mount shop is super busy right now & I can't get there before they close weekdays so won't get mounted tires back till this coming Saturday. I knew you would check in eventually, this all is exactly what I need to know, thanks man. I was pretty certain it was Thunderfan's tire that got chewed up but could not find that thread again. I had already decided that I'm gonna remove the final drive for the install, will definitely make sure those bolts can't contact the tire. Good to know about the shock/tire combo. Thanks again for jumping in... Yep, my pleasure. I also while the tire and wheel is off, look up into fender, there is a steel reinforcement plate the weld nuts are on for the fender bolts, I smoothed the left side lip on mine. I did have a rub I had forgot about until now. Left side is closer than right side. I also smoothed the weld nuts or rounded as it was. All good after that. While tire is off you will see if there is any bolt protruding through the weld nuts, just cut them off for good measure. It's worth the extra work. Tire looks awesome
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Post by MeanDawg on Oct 3, 2017 16:50:13 GMT -6
Never too late Speed--got the wheels back but the tire mount shop is super busy right now & I can't get there before they close weekdays so won't get mounted tires back till this coming Saturday. I knew you would check in eventually, this all is exactly what I need to know, thanks man. I was pretty certain it was Thunderfan's tire that got chewed up but could not find that thread again. I had already decided that I'm gonna remove the final drive for the install, will definitely make sure those bolts can't contact the tire. Good to know about the shock/tire combo. Thanks again for jumping in... Yep, my pleasure. I also while the tire and wheel is off, look up into fender, there is a steel reinforcement plate the weld nuts are on for the fender bolts, I smoothed the left side lip on mine. I did have a rub I had forgot about until now. Left side is closer than right side. I also smoothed the weld nuts or rounded as it was. All good after that. While tire is off you will see if there is any bolt protruding through the weld nuts, just cut them off for good measure. It's worth the extra work. Tire looks awesome Great thanks for the added info Speed, I was just looking at that steel plate last night. What tool did ya use to smooth out the weld nuts? Dremel or some other method? I'll definitely do as you advise before I get the tire back. Stoked to get it installed!
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Post by MeanDawg on Oct 3, 2017 16:55:01 GMT -6
Had a quick look, there seems to be plenty of room between the tyre and the fender mounting bolts- bear in mind this was with standard springs and unladen. I struggle to see how the tyre could get closer enough to the bolts to cause any damage, do you have a link to the story you mentioned? Found that forum thread Lagger--I think the thread title "Front Tire Talk" is why I was going past it. Check out posts #19/20/22 www.riderforums.com/general-mean-streak/86122-front-tire-talk-again-2.html
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