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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2017 10:43:35 GMT -6
Nope it will dull but smooth. The buffing out is the key
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Post by sikotic on Apr 24, 2017 11:06:06 GMT -6
Nope it will dull but smooth. The buffing out is the key Ok. Still new to the whole building process. And painting most of all. All of the advice received from everyone is much appreciated.
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2017 11:24:09 GMT -6
Yea lacquer works different than urethane so your clear is a chemical bond so you really don't know if ya burn through because of that. Buffing also can be a challenge. Easy to burn thru while buffing as well, especially corners. Worst comes to worst you have to spay again. Been there done that. It's really just you got to do it, get a feel of it. But start out finer grades of paper, plenty of water, if you have issues knocking it down, go courser. But end up with 2500 - 3000
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Post by Texas on Apr 24, 2017 12:26:58 GMT -6
Yea lacquer works different than urethane so your clear is a chemical bond so you really don't know if ya burn through because of that. Buffing also can be a challenge. Easy to burn thru while buffing as well, especially corners. Worst comes to worst you have to spay again. Been there done that. It's really just you got to do it, get a feel of it. But start out finer grades of paper, plenty of water, if you have issues knocking it down, go courser. But end up with 2500 - 3000 Great advice. The problem with cutting (sanding slick) and buffing afterwards is you need to spray enough clear on there to be able to do that afterwards. Lacquer clears spray like water and go on in very thin coats. you need 5 or 6 coats to be able to cut and buff without fears of burning through. Urethane clears spray more like thin cream but still need 4 to 5 coats to be able to cut and buff. When sanding a cured clear before buffing, stay off any edges so you don't burn through when buffing. If you hate buffing you can always do the old time painters trick of sanding it smooth, then spray one or two more coats of clear to light (gloss) it up again. We used to do that a lot with smaller odd shaped parts that you really couldn't hang onto to buff out.
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2017 12:29:14 GMT -6
Thanks for add to it Texas. I was hitting the highlights lol. But yes in deed you need enough on there to start with
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2017 12:31:05 GMT -6
One more thing. Lacquer sands easier than urethane, urethane is 2k so is hard as a rock and some are as hell to sand and buff
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Post by sikotic on Apr 24, 2017 16:13:42 GMT -6
Well... I got it as finished as i could today. It ended up as I suspected it would. It's beautiful from about 10 feet away.
Not a big deal though. There are plenty more nicks and scratches to come. As well as I'm kicking around the idea of swapping out for a different tank. Something that will look better when all the excess trim is removed and the ignition switch is relocated to between the jugs on the left side.
This color i think is definitely what it will be in the end though.
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Post by Texas on Apr 25, 2017 7:23:48 GMT -6
Well... I got it as finished as i could today. It ended up as I suspected it would. It's beautiful from about 10 feet away. Not a big deal though. There are plenty more nicks and scratches to come. As well as I'm kicking around the idea of swapping out for a different tank. Something that will look better when all the excess trim is removed and the ignition switch is relocated to between the jugs on the left side. This color i think is definitely what it will be in the end though. You can be very proud of your accomplishment and show it off with pride. Kudos to ya brother for taking on the first-timers challenge of doing the best ya could with 75 bucks worth of rattle cans.
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Post by lee on Apr 25, 2017 8:57:24 GMT -6
Sanding is just polishing with more grit. If there's some roughness, sanding will be a lot faster than polishing but both will eventually get you there. I think I started with 600 or 800 on the clear, cut down the orange peel to a uniform haze, then 1000, 1500 and 2000. Then the polishing. You obviously don't want to cut through the clear with the heavier grits, but at 1500+ you can sand it pretty good.
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Post by sikotic on Apr 25, 2017 9:13:25 GMT -6
Well... I got it as finished as i could today. It ended up as I suspected it would. It's beautiful from about 10 feet away. Not a big deal though. There are plenty more nicks and scratches to come. As well as I'm kicking around the idea of swapping out for a different tank. Something that will look better when all the excess trim is removed and the ignition switch is relocated to between the jugs on the left side. This color i think is definitely what it will be in the end though. You can be very proud of your accomplishment and show it off with pride. Kudos to ya brother for taking on the first-timers challenge of doing the best ya could with 75 bucks worth of rattle cans. Thanks. I will definitely be riding it with pride. And in all truth I could probably buff out most of the blemishes as it looks more like the wax just stained the clear more so than anything. Might look into a buffer wheel and compound along with some of that 2k clear you previously mentioned.
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Post by sikotic on May 13, 2017 15:13:30 GMT -6
Amateur hour struck again today. I was finally told by the fiance that she was no longer riding till I got a backrest back on the bike.... Something about feeling like I was trying to fling her off with even the slightest twist of the throttle. So given the current state of the tail of the bike it seems that nothing will fit and just bolt right up.. Then the random 10 min idea came to just get some diamond plate aluminum and make one. 2 hours later I present to you "The Air Brake". Yep it will be getting a redesign later, but for now it's function over form. Not overly terrible given that it was conceived using basic tools, and a poorly though out process.
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2017 17:06:57 GMT -6
Amateur hour struck again today. I was finally told by the fiance that she was no longer riding till I got a backrest back on the bike.... Something about feeling like I was trying to fling her off with even the slightest twist of the throttle. So given the current state of the tail of the bike it seems that nothing will fit and just bolt right up.. Then the random 10 min idea came to just get some diamond plate aluminum and make one. 2 hours later I present to you "The Air Brake". Yep it will be getting a redesign later, but for now it's function over form. Not overly terrible given that it was conceived using basic tools, and a poorly though out process. Lol. You got to do what ya got to do. It serves the purpose and you now may get a little tonight, that alone is worth the price of admission
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Post by sikotic on May 13, 2017 18:00:57 GMT -6
Amateur hour struck again today. I was finally told by the fiance that she was no longer riding till I got a backrest back on the bike.... Something about feeling like I was trying to fling her off with even the slightest twist of the throttle. So given the current state of the tail of the bike it seems that nothing will fit and just bolt right up.. Then the random 10 min idea came to just get some diamond plate aluminum and make one. 2 hours later I present to you "The Air Brake". Yep it will be getting a redesign later, but for now it's function over form. Not overly terrible given that it was conceived using basic tools, and a poorly though out process. Lol. You got to do what ya got to do. It serves the purpose and you now may get a little tonight, that alone is worth the price of admission Lol. That was never a problem.
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Post by sikotic on May 14, 2017 20:13:07 GMT -6
Well after the first ride I have learned a very important lesson.... Diamond plate aluminum can't take the stress incured when riding on the interstate. She told me that she felt it flex a bit. Upon inspection i found it began to fracture in 2 places.... Back to the drawing board. And DEFINITELY using stronger materials.
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Post by sikotic on May 30, 2017 9:39:18 GMT -6
Here is the apparent weak point in my design. Fractured on the first outing. Then during disassembly i found the bent mounting bolt. Now looking at using 3/16" steel for the side plates. And I am upgrading the hardware to 5/16" to hopefully preventing it from being bent again.
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Post by sikotic on May 30, 2017 15:59:00 GMT -6
1 broken tap and a few hours of frustration later... I now have a backrest and likely the new upper saddlebag support rail.
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Post by hagger on Jun 5, 2017 12:10:41 GMT -6
I like the direction your taking with your bike, good job. When its all finished it will look fantastic.
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Post by Streak07 on Jun 5, 2017 12:21:30 GMT -6
You need to weld a small gusset plate there. The stress is being taken on fully by the 1" high flat stock. That is the weak link and why frames are C channel or box framed. Slightly thicker material won't change that and it will still be prone to bending and flex so you need someone who can TIG aluminum. The way you have the steel tubing it's not taking the stress off that point.
Or use steel diamond plate, grind the chrome off, weld it to the steel tube, then powdercoat the whole thing.
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Post by sikotic on Jun 5, 2017 12:55:55 GMT -6
You need to weld a small gusset plate there. The stress is being taken on fully by the 1" high flat stock. That is the weak link and why frames are C channel or box framed. Slightly thicker material won't change that and it will still be prone to bending and flex so you need someone who can TIG aluminum. The way you have the steel tubing it's not taking the stress off that point. Or use steel diamond plate, grind the chrome off, weld it to the steel tube, then powdercoat the whole thing. Thanks for the information. The addition of some gussets is in the works. After the incident with the first attempt i want it to be sturdy. Also they will make a good mount point for the luggage rack.
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Post by sikotic on Jul 14, 2017 18:48:50 GMT -6
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Post by sikotic on Aug 1, 2017 10:05:22 GMT -6
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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2017 12:16:34 GMT -6
Finally started on the bags... Well one at least. I managed to get a template done. Next up, a bit of prep and that first layer of fiberglass on all but one side. If all goes well i will only have to cut the tape and invert the sides to get the other bag template. Nice progress my friend
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Post by sikotic on Aug 1, 2017 12:20:18 GMT -6
Finally started on the bags... Well one at least. I managed to get a template done. Next up, a bit of prep and that first layer of fiberglass on all but one side. If all goes well i will only have to cut the tape and invert the sides to get the other bag template. Nice progress my friend Thanks. Would have gotten further had I bothered to check and see if I had the stuff to start laying the glass... I have the matt and resin but seems i have lost the hardener... Gotta wait a couple days to get more.
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